The Sims 4: No Toddlers & No Pools in September
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The Sims team has just released a new blog on The Sims 4, and have confirmed that Pools and Toddlers will not be part of the game come September.

“And though pool building won’t be available in September, we do have a new Fountain Tool so you can create sophisticated landscapes. Whether you were a novice builder in The Sims 3, or an experienced pro, I really think you’re going to love The Sims 4’s build mode.”
“And while we recognize that some of you will be disappointed that pools and toddlers won’t be available when The Sims 4 Base Game launches in September, you should know that we’re building an incredibly strong foundation that is capable of fulfilling every one of your desires in the years to come. The future of The Sims 4 is bright!”

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  1. desims2 says:

    The next thing they’re going to cancel is all community lots except for parks, i wouldn’t be supprised if they would do this…..Bus seriously i mean like EA why spend time creating Rockets for example instead of toddlers??

    1. HilOBeans26 says:

      Rockets are flashy!

  2. Dan says:

    The Sims 3 was missing tonnes of things from The Sims 2 that you needed to buy from the store, and you eventually came around to that. Graham said The Sims 4 has more content (as in objects) than any other Sims base game, give the game a chance, it’s pointless to hate so much on something we know so little about. Especially considering that there’s nothing you can do to change the game now. They won’t start considering add-ons until after the game’s released. Be patient, if you can manage

  3. Get it? says:

    I don’t lose much without toddlers or pools, I hated the first and rarely used the second.
    Still looking forward to this game so much.

  4. peachees says:

    I’m not a big fan of toddlers in Sims 3, but I enjoyed taking care of them from time to time… I hated babies, at the other hand, so it’s kinda silly how they’re keeping them in the game :/ And pools, well… I’m pretty sure that it will be added later with the expansions anyway.

  5. ScarletRibbons says:

    I see all this arguing and I can’t help thinking of the good ol’ Sims days when our corner of the gaming community was polite and respectful. As a long time Simmer I encourage you guys to cease attempting to sway Carthy, it’s abundantly clear he/she is still very young
    Clearly too young to have understood Hope’s paycheck references (which was not simply an example, but a method of saying people can not afford to be paying these outrageous prices when we have real livelihoods to sustain); but whom also is incapable of making a cogent argument except to reiterate the same argument for other peoples’ “childishness”, even going so far as to type “Waah Waah!” The fact remains that people like Carthy will continue to buy into this inflated monetary trend because they’re not having to suffer the direct impact that people who do not have money to throw away do. These are the same people who don’t Care if they’re spending $800 on apple products every few months or were okay with Xbox/Microsoft’s grand idea of taking away consumer rights to their purchases if a person didn’t have a valid internet connection for 24hrs. Hope brought a valid point when she stated that the current total price for Sims 3 plus expansions was $300 that’s a portion of some people’s rent money, that’s a cellphone bill or new cellphone in general, that’s almost two months of groceries from Sam’s Club or Costco, that’s gas money! And to pay $60 for a Base Game that is essentially incomplete is foolish, for $60 I could buy a COMPLETE Xbox or PS4 game. I think I will personally just play the waiting game on this. But I’ll be forever disappointed in the route EA has chosen take, I don’t mind the pool being gone too much but how does one play a Life Simulator when elements of life are not programmed? Does NASA train its astronauts with flight simulators that are incapable of flight? No, they do not.

    1. carthy123 says:

      Look…People don’t have to buy the game. It will be a great game I know it for a fact. It’s just Simmers are acting like babies because they are not getting their way. Yes I said “waah” because thats how this community is acting. Big babies saying “Waaaaahhh I can’t have what I want in The Sims 4. Waaahhhh” The only ones who say waahhh are real babies. We are grown so we shouldn’t be whining.

  6. Ingrid says:

    I do think some people are overreacting to the losing of toddlers or pools. But still, why not have pools or toddlers or any other basic thing in the game? I understand that we cannot have everything we want the game to add. There are many things already that they could add to enhance the game. But take things out of it is something totally different. Mainly because they’ve been doing that and putting in expansions, which means that we have less and less new things every time! Honestly, a pool is not a big deal. But it is something so ordinary that it really pisses people off from being dropped without even a reason. An aquatic expansion pack that brings a nice pool, sun loungers and parasols and marco polo? It’s just unfair to take something that we are so used to, something so basic, embellish a little bit and sell later as something super newly interesting.
    One of the things I always complained about was Pets and Seasons expansion packs. Because to my mind, as someone playing the sims since 2001, things should proceed. If the sims could play with pets from the beginning (since the first game, but with an expansion), why not add pets to the base game and create a different expansion? Because we have to buy the same expansion packs all the times, like, that doesn’t make any sense! Pets, Seasons, Late Night, University, Adventures… Of course there are modifications, but we should have new things! More new things. But even though I never really agreed to add the same expansion packs everytime, I just thought that it wasn’t a big deal so far, we had more expansion packs in the sims 3, and the game was really overwhelming. The problem is how it is progressing… Why take out a POOL from the base game? The big fuss is not about the desperate need to make your sims swim (or drown lol), but it is strange, there is no good reason, it’s just a pool. And about the toddlers: they should be adding more age stages and making it go even further, not taking life phases off of the game. I can actually see in the future our brand new generations expansion pack. But why do they have to take out the toddlers from the base game to put into an expansion? I tend to think that it is only a marketing move, wich makes me really disappointed, because they’re going to far.
    Yes, the game will probably bring some great stuff and provide us lots of fun anyway. However, it is wrong not to complain if you think something is going wrong. And I believe this is going the wrong way. The logic of “It could be worse, so don’t complain at all” is quite stupid to me. Yes, I will buy the game. I have always loved the sims and I will always give a chance to the game with which I grew up. But I disagree it is all fine, it is all good “they’re going to add it to an expansion anyway”. That shouldn’t be how it works.
    It still didn’t turn into an unbearable situation to me, that I couldn’t even play it anymore. But apparently it did to a lot of people. I’m looking forward to the game, but I will want to take a look at some gameplays before I buy my own game. And I wish people don’t stop complaining and sticking to what they think is right. That’s the only way of changing something, or, at least, having an opinion.
    And I understand that many can think differently, but it’s not about having the same opinions, but respecting that the other may have a point of view different than yours.

    1. rynwin says:

      Because they are essentially rebuilding the game completely from scratch (new code, new models, new textures, new animations, pretty much new everything), saying that they were removing an existent feature is just plain silly. Also given that they announced it at such a late date makes it very obvious to me what actually happened.

      To give you my frame of reference, I work as a game tester, so I’ve seen game development from various quasi-insider positions (from working in a completely different country and communicating with the devs only through comments on bugs, to working in the same room as the devs and having the creative director hover over my shoulder as I try out a brand new feature).

      When the cutting of a major feature is announced this late in the development cycle, it’s because when they got to the point where they needed to lock down and switch to polishing things for release, toddlers and pools just weren’t close enough to being in working order. Sorry, no nefarious plot to see here, move along.

      Yes, reality is that they’re going to introduce them in an expansion pack. It would be nice if they would release them in a free patch but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      The fact is the money to make new features has to come from somewhere, and since the publisher takes most of the profit from the game sales, the only way Maxis gets enough money to pay the salaries of the employees needed to make new features is to have EA bankroll an expansion.

  7. EmpressKira says:

    Um, I really don’t mind that I can’t build pools or have toddlers. I never build a pool anyways because I get annoyed when I have a sim who just wants to get in the pool all the time (especially when they are afraid to drown but still want to go swimming. Kiddie pool, lol?). I mean, I know I have them on free will, but seriously its freezing outside and you want to get in the pool?! *shakes head* Toddlers are like a bonus for me when I play, but most of the time I hate the baby/toddler process. I make sure that the baby is only like that for three days and a toddler for roughly seven days so I can get that walk/talk/potty stuff done and get to pick a trait since I hate when it picks it for me because I don’t get that crap done. I’m fine when they are children because they can do most things themselves which makes me more focused on day to day things for sims than catering to the kids. Yeah, it’s supposed to be realistic, but I just don’t care for it and plus this is a game, for cheetos sake.

    It’s all about preference for people; especially since I know a couple people who use cheats to make the sims happy all the time and I hate that with a passion, but thats how they play.

    Now I do think it is rude people are on here pretty much calling others ‘cattle’ for wanting to buy this game. Um, excuse me I do not eat grass and go “moo”. I love Sims very much and like to try all expansions because I like some over others, but I try them to see how they are. Yes, I am blessed to be able to afford it, but don’t make a pity party out of things you can’t afford. I can’t just up and buy a new house or car, I work for that crap like I work to get a game I want. It’s also rude that people say ALL simmers are acting childish, um no… not ALL simmers are acting that way so please don’t say ALL say SOME. Thank you.

    So if someone don’t wanna buy the game, alright thats fine its their life and money. And if someone wants to buy the game great for them its their life and money. Now unless you make the income for that person don’t complain about what they do or don’t spend their cash on.

    Anyways, the main thing is that I don’t mind that some things will not be in the game and I don’t mind the load screens because it gives me a minute to relax my hands, haha.

  8. I'm Jangooo says:

    Normally I don’t bother posting on stuff like this but seeing some of the comments kinda made me want to just say this at least. Somewhere over the past few years it feels like some people have forgotten the relationship of company and customer. EA’s JOB is to provide us, the sims fanbase/customers, with a game that we enjoy and is what we’ve come to expect. This is why we dish out $60+ bucks every couple of months getting expansions etc… You wouldn’t go to Target and buy a shirt if the sleeves were missing and wait 6 months later for the manufacture to release you the rest of the sleeves so you could wear your shirt two different ways.

    Its true that at the same time customers/fans can become unreasonable in their demands. But in this case I don’t think asking for something that has been in past games is unreasonable. So all the people calling those complaining bout the lack of pools, toddlers, whatever… You’ve fallen for the perfect trap that companies love.

    You basically swallow what you’re given and are convinced that this is the standard norm and you shouldn’t complain cause its not a big deal and hopefully better stuff comes out later. Its that attitude why companies are becoming lazy and are giving half-crap products because they KNOW you’ll buy it anyway saying “oh its ok they didn’t have time, there must have been an error…” Sometimes this is true but a lot of times its cause they know you all have come to expect games to not come out the studio perfect, so they no longer try to achieve perfection. Why should they bust their behind’s to add a buncha awesome features if everyone is willing to pay $60 for half the content? You would never know what they COULD have done versus what they are giving you on release day.

    But the bottom line is those of you complaining and saying the reason you won’t buy a game is over 1-2 missing features that are not game breaking are just as bad as the ones who are willing to swallow lack of simple content just because a game shows you 2-3 new shiny things you forget the 5-6 bad things. Now before anyone bashes me I’m actually planning on getting sims 4 but much later when some expansions have come out so I have more stuff to do in it and i feel i get my money’s worth waiting for sale/bundles where I get a more complete game. I get that sims is complex and can’t have everything at once nor do I want them to. Game development is hard and they are a company they need a formula to make money HOWEVER that doesn’t excuse those telling others to shut up if they expect more from EA just cause you’re willing to buy the game as is.

    And for those bringing in religion or peoples household finance into this. THIS IS A GAME. Those topics don’t even compare and shouldn’t be near this subject. Another thing a lot of you suffer from is the lack of ability to weigh reality properly. If you had that ability you would’ve had the common sense to not even bring those subjects into this page.

    Anyways I hope everyone enjoys Sims 4 when it comes out and hopefully EA won’t forget their responsibilities as a company too much and provide their consumer base what they deserve.

  9. kamaloko says:

    They’re probably gonna add a new expansion pack, something like generations and add toddlers. But I don’t mind really, I never liked to do anything with toddlers, and I never used the pool in TS3 so I’m okay, although it’s still a shame they didn’t put them in.

  10. Emera says:

    How the hell is the experience s’posed to be any where near real life? I mean, sure, lots of us don’t like the toddler stage, but IT’S A HUMAN LIFE STAGE! COME ON PEOPLE!

  11. DeeDee says:

    I think the worse thing is those who constantly post stuff like “I don’t care about “x” missing/looking worse”…if you don’t care why do you even bother to voice your opinion? Move on… you’re happy with the game the way it is and you will get it (the way it is). Now you have to remember, not everyone plays The Sims the same way…so of course some things are more important for some than for others, maybe even game-breaking important. I know a lot of simmers who only play to create sims, others who only build (and those will miss CASt). Others who are only there for the kill (those will definitely miss the pools lol) The point is there isn’t “one way” to play the game, it’s just your way and my way (and his and hers and theirs)
    Now why I think those who don’t care are the worst is because I feel those opinions are hurting the future of video games. You pay,and it’s not cheap,so you have the right to say the things you’re disappointed with. Constantly being perfectly fine with everything they put to the table will not result in improvement. Their “goal” isn’t to spend more time or more resources in their games…but to make profit (and it’s understandable) Does it matter how good the game actually is? Yeah, if it sells better…but if it sells anyway, who gives a damn.
    No mater how you look at it, this game took a step back in the franchise, on many aspects. It’s a rehashed, sugar-coated “Olympus Project”…born from the remnants of a “fail”…cause no one likes to let something they already invested on go to waste. So of course, the overall quality took a hit…and they’re selling the changes to us as: “so it will be able to run on less powerful machines”. This game is here to stay for at least 5 years, with all the expansion packs to come…I don’t know if it will stand the test of time. And I find it hard to believe so many simmers, especially those buying every EP (lots of money!!!) can’t afford to even slightly upgrade their PCs in 10 years (since TS3) What’s next, TS5 will be able to run on PCs from the 90s!

  12. ARuthanneR says:

    I’m seeing both sides being terrible. Some are being respectful, but most aren’t. So here’s an opinion I hope doesn’t offend anyone. I am supportive of not buying it because toddlers are my favorite life stage because I love working with kids that age, some of you probably don’t like toddlers and that’s okay, I loved how DeeDee talked about how everyone plays their game differently because it’s so true. I would like to ask that no one bring religion into this as well as the harsh words to others because it doesn’t give you your point and I’m Christian and it’s that whole comment with God was offensive to me. With all of that out of the way I have to agree with a very good point brought up here that EA is taking advantage of us. I know that if the income suddenly dropped, EA would change what they’re doing and we would get better games. If it was in my ability I would love to work with EA and help make the games better which is why I’m replying in the first place- I want to help. I see both views as very valid, The Sims is a good game right now and I love playing it, I find even my old Sims 2 Pets on the PS2 to be fun. However the problem I find with EA is that they can do better and they know it, I’d choose more fun over just fun, however I can learn to be contempt with just fun because the Sims is a really great game. I’m disappointed that EA is degrading the Sims as they’ve become obsessed with making as much money as possible for as little effort as possible.

    Here’s an example of this problem- Awhile ago I inherited a chair from my grandma, an old chair, the type with the pull-out stepstool built into it. It was and is still in great shape. Recently I found the same type of chair at Fred Meyer and bought two. I noticed the chairs from Fred Meyer were a much thinner metal with less padding on the seat and overall, lesser quality from the old chair. This old chair is pretty old yet it’s metal is thicker and the seat’s more comfortable with better and more padding. It’s better than the brand new chairs. The reason for this example is that over time the chair decreased in quality- the metal being thinner alone may not sound so bad nor the padding, but the changes add up and you can see that the world’s gotten cheap.

    I wish that everyone was less selfish about their money and worked to make the best quality game they can but reality is they don’t. Can we really change that? Maybe, but not likely. Still, I think it’s important to try and stand up for the fact that we deserve more.

    This problem isn’t that big of a deal, the real problem I find is that EA has gotten really selfish with their money. Soon, other companies may find EA’s success in being cheap, some already have, maybe not because of EA but because it seems to work for them. The issue I find is that we don’t have much power as the customer anymore, the game makers do and they’re abusing that power. It’s like the hunger games when you think about it. This WILL continue and get worse. When you buy the game just know that you’re impacting this. Another example is another grandma of mine who would sell peaches in boxes and whatnot. She’d fill the boxes with as many peaches those boxes could hold because she never cared about the money, she cared about the customer. Sadly, she died recently, yet this story was shared at her funeral. It may seem small but this is something she was remembered by. I have strong beliefs and one is that greed is wrong- even EA will agree with me on that. It’s not so much the game as it is the people behind it. I just want to try and show that this is wrong. Someone needs to tell EA that or they’ll just keep stepping on people.

    I hope those of you playing the sims 4 will find enjoyment in the game- that’s not sarcastic I really do wish you the best. I wish EA the best as well, that they will learn from their mistakes and I thank them for their hard work on what they have done, especially those who really do care about the customers because I know there are good people in this world. I wish everyone boycotting EA success and a miracle that the Sims 5 will be a great game and an upgrade they can buy and enjoy.

    Have fun playing your game whether it’s Sims 4, 3 , 2 , 1 or maybe a random Assassin’s Creed. I want you all to know that your opinions have been great and while some of you may have not been the kindest you’ve all brought up good points and I hope I have as well.

  13. ARuthanneR says:

    In sims 6 homes will probably just be rabbit holes. Let’s just agree to cancel all our pre-orders and not buy The Sims 4 unless it’s actually good.

  14. ScarletRibbons says:

    My hope is that maybe EA/Maxis will take a big enough hit in their sales department like Xbox/Microsoft did to make them change their tune. But that maybe wishful thinking. Also I’ve been reading on other forums and Sims YouTube vids that they’re also taking away customization, is that true? Because that was like Sims 3′s saving grace. I’m guessing its true since the official Sims YouTube channel posted that new gameplay vid and it was all swatches, no color wheel or anything.
    I think I’ll hold off on my purchase of the game for many of the same reasons everyone else has (not just because of toddlers or pools); besides, I want to see how well EA has (if at all) fixed anything. So I’ll be checking the forums and customer service sites to see what the major issues are and if the fixes for those issues will be any good. Mostly though I’m just gonna wait for the Mod community to catch up with the game, I heard EA was planning to make the game more Mods friendly. Plus I’ll just bundle up on stuff after year one ends. Though it’ll be so hard to wait, I’m still interested in the Sims just not happy with the way things are going. I think if they gave us a list of truly official things and changes there would be less conflict; if I knew more about what is likley taking place over pools and toddlers I might be less inclined to make assumptions. But as it stands they’ve told us very little, and the gurus are no help; they’ve been saying one thing is real only for another guru to say it isn’t, that tells me things are not so organized, which is a tad concerning.
    I’ve also been getting rumors that the potential toddlers and pool expansion packs are not included as base game because they couldn’t fit everything they wanted to add for us, which if that’s true then okay I could see that being ok, but they would be have to be pretty kick ass. Of course we all know its the Modders who will save the day, you gotta love them. Although those with the popular mods (teen woohoo, story progression, etc) are probably pulling their hair out cause now they gotta do it again LOL poor Modders.

    1. ARuthanneR says:

      Sims 3 IS getting rid of customization which doesn’t make it easier to create unique outfits and sims. Darn…

      1. ScarletRibbons says:

        Damn, I was hoping that wouldn’t be true. It made customizing my nurseries so much fun! I hope they atleast gives us a pattern creator, I enjoyed making my own swatches.

  15. simsburned says:

    If they don´t add toddlers and pools, I am not buying the game. What EA is doing is awful, this whole toddlers and pools thing is just a money thing. They will probably add them in expansion packs and the saddest thing is that people will buy it and EA will continue acting like this. This made me so angry. They´re making such bad excuses, like that there are tons of new stuff. When they started making the game, first they should have make everything that was in previous games and then add new stuff. I´m also worried about vehicles since they´re not mentioned. There probably won´t be cars so thats going to be another expansion pack. I dont think there is sea in the game so it´s another expansion pack. I just hope that EA will stop acting like this and start respecting their fans instead of stealing their money.

  16. ally says:

    Guys chill, we’re all getting the CAS demo in August.

  17. ARuthanneR says:

    Just watched it… feel a little sick. What was with that one guy’s face while he was exercising? That’s just… I have no words to describe how I feel about that. And the whole bro thing; it’s like, “Hello strange man I’ve never met before! Let’s bro bump!” What in the world… And the cooking machine thingy? Why would you ever put that in your sim’s house? I’ll stick to ovens thank you very much. I actually like realism in the game and this is just sad. They start off in fairy tale land where everything is happy and there are pink trees and a beautiful river with small waterfalls and everyone is happy except for this one guy who’s sulking around and the other angry guy doing exercises. I was waiting, (and actually kind of hoping), for some dude to jump out of the building with a machine gun and start shooting everybody because they were all just too happy.
    Die of laughter EA, just die of laughter…

    1. ARuthanneR says:

      Yes the thread is definitely broke. I was replying to cecesaun1.

  18. luvinmesumsims says:

    Here’s an idea… stop spending time making sims that look like yourselves and spend that time writing the code for pools and toddlers. Bored of the sims 3, not buying the sims 4 I’ll find something else to do with my free time.

  19. nina97 says:

    I agree I don’t what EA was smoking but this is very lazy and unacceptable !!! GOD EA REALLY REALLY !!!

  20. amo12384 says:

    Haha I was just thinking if they spent less time playing around they could worked more on the actual game!

  21. nina97 says:

    True but EA needs there paychecks, so they delay but I guaranteed there going to be glitches and bugs !!!!

  22. Cody says:

    Indeed so many EPs of Sims 3 were half baked and disappointing. Expansion packs like WA or Ambitions easy forty. Expansion packs like Generations and Supernatural *shudders*. I hope they turn over a new leaf with the EPs and they are bursting to the brim with features that are fleshed out.

  23. Cody says:

    I would of been torn on most though if I had not paid for them. Because EPs like Supernatural while was overall a big disappointment it had some really great interactive items. Or Showtime, the world that they build was BEAUTIFUL.

  24. mmoblitz says:

    Speak with your wallet by not buying the game. That will send a bigger message than anything else you can do. That is the only thing EA understands.

  25. ThunderBoy says:

    Starlight Shores is the best.

  26. joanam says:

    Yes, Sims 3 had great potencial, even more than Sims 4 because it had so many inovations compared to the game before but it is some damn buggy. Look, in the real world when you give that kind of money for a product you expect a certain level of excellency. Would you buy a Ferrari do drive it like a Honda?

  27. Cody says:

    I thought that Showtime features should of been more combined with Nightlife and saw Showtime as a pointless EP with how empty it was. HOWEVER I am so glad they did not combine them because I would of never had the chance to set my eyes on the masterpiece that Starlight Shores is.

  28. ARuthanneR says:

    They were probably smoking cash.

  29. ARuthanneR says:

    That was a reply to nina97, this thread might be broke…

  30. cecesaun1 says:

    Have you seen the 15 min of game play video EA posted on youtube? It’s really quite sad. After preparing your sims, meeting a few new sims, planning a party to only go to the party and see some sim pee his pants and the two main sims die from laughing. All in 15 min. Very disappointing indeed. I had hoped to try the demo out for CAS to see if it could possibly trigger any new enthusiasm but could never obtain it. There has been a LOT of things taken away from sims 4 that my only excitement is just seeing others that still are excited about getting it. I do hope they enjoy it and come away with a positive experience, however I have a big feeling we will be seeing a LOT of post speaking on a negative against the sims 4 once it’s released.

  31. cecesaun1 says:

    Just saw that you were trying to respond. It’s okay, this post has gone all over the place! :D

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